长篇影评
1 ) 死刑是个好东西
我支持死刑,并不是因为“血债需用血来还”,而是养着这样的人渣留着没法跟广大纳税人交代:
开始看到MP觉得这人怎么在笑,傻傻的啊;还在笑,necrophobia吧,谁叫你还有7天就见鬼去了;还笑,我看着他那张大脸心开始不寒而栗,他说他基徒并7天后就要上天堂了,我当时第一反应是:呵呵,难道我下地狱么?
并且在他的last statement中:"I want to start off to everyone involved in this atrocity, they're all forgiven by me"
我凌乱了。。。
然后看到
http://www.savemichaelperry.info/居然还有这种东西的时候我觉得我的三观3p了
最奇葩的要数他的同伙JB的老婆了,我开始不信她自愿找上门去的——还彩虹从这一头连到拿一头!于是我维基了:“Burkett's wife appears in the film, a free woman who met and married Burkett after his conviction. They were only allowed contact by holding hands under guarded supervision, but she claims to be pregnant with his child. In the film, Herzog implies that Burkett's wife was able to smuggle a sperm sample out of the prison.”
“AFTER HIS CONVICTION”!!!顿时觉得这女人一定脑子进水了——受害者一家全死了,杀人者家中男人(爹,两子)全坐牢,JB他爹回忆自己上堂testify时发了一番挽回了JB小命的肺腑之言,大意就是“子不教父之过”,而你还要为全家坐牢的培养下一代没有父亲的恶魔吗?
死刑是不是一了百了?!
2 ) 在有光和没光的深渊才是深渊本身的样子
找到了几个很有故事的访谈者,问了几个很有意思,带着unspeakable mystery的问题,and as usual,make reference for us to understand。很妙的开头,关于不同视角叙述案件并没有在故事上很有感触,可能主要是因为预警的说话方式是平铺直叙的故事,而被访者可以展露的角色特点又无法在短短几天内判断,审视,并呈现,我认为这反倒是一种人道主义approach,给一个人定性,时刻突出他的character反而让不了解他的人过分了解了他的一小部分,从而以为这就是他。后面越来越有趣,但仅限于点到为止,不知道是因为时间不允许还是只能到此为止,但the ending is really about whats humane and what we think of humane are not humane
3 ) Those questions we ask because we are human
Sometimes it's easy to be certain of your opinion and its validity when you only hear one side of the story. This documentary sets out to shatter your sense of certainty by presenting to you as many aspects of the same story as possible.
It's clear that the director himself is against death penalty. It would have been easy for him to cut out the part where the women who lost her mother and brother said that the death of Micheal gave her relief. Without that statement, this film would be much stronger to speak against death penalty. However, Werner Herzog did not. I presume because her version of the story mattered to Herzog.
Most people agree that we as people, with the constrains of our cognitive capacity, is not capable of and cannot afford to be utilitarian. However, it is human nature for us to try. Our attempts to consider every possibility and be as thorough as humanly possible for issues such as death penalty and abortion make us human. In that sense, this documentary does not speak either for or against death penalty, it speaks for for humanity.
[side note] Both inmates argued that they were innocent in court. There were a bit more evidence to convict Micheal, but not that much after all. But the fates of the Micheal and Jason were completely different. One was killed. The other lives, has a wife and a baby on the way. What was the difference? Their attitude in court? Jason's father's testimony? Their appearances? Were those the right parameter to determine a man's innocence? To take a man's life? What if we were wrong?
You may say that a few mishaps happen in the court of law and it's just the casualty of justice, but in my opinion, even one life lost is one too many. We as human beings do not have the capacity to judge whether or not we should take another person's life. It is not within our right or power to judge.
4 ) 艺术总是源于生活,却永远无法高过生活
好的电影有很多种,描述一种或共鸣或私人的情绪,怀旧的过去与无可预料的未来,调动人的思考,提供不一样的人生.等等.
导演希望用尽量平和又客观的视角去描述死刑犯,犯罪现场,受害者,受审,死刑,但是即使躲在摄影机背后,牧师也替他说出了他内心的倾向.
采访中的提问,导演很聪明,作为一个要抓观众情绪的人,自然也会抓谈话者的情绪.有很好的留白,适时的怜悯及包容,和平静语调背后忍不住的一针见血.
哥哥在描述自己弟弟的死时的内疚和伤痛,以及在脸上纹上的两滴眼泪.
父亲在描述自己与自己的儿子同乘一辆警车,左手和孩子的右手拷在一起.以及他对于时间模糊的概念,一世纪之差.还有他对于不曾发生的另一种假设,从茫然到笃定.
他在描述两个女陪审团成员因为感动投了反对死刑的两票时,说自己和孩子也许不配上帝的帮助,但是他们确实得到了.导演安慰他,你救了他.似乎也在说,既然上帝做什么都有他的目的,让死刑存在的目的在哪里,如果是为了审判或是公平,又既然让似乎公正的审判存在,又为何会被简单的emotion影响.
即使采访无关者,似乎也做的很有他自己的风格.对于那个喷漆工,导演一直带着鼓励的对话方式.看到贝莉的纹身于是想起问一个无关的事,“如果有一天你和贝莉分手了,这个永久性的纹身怎么办”,回答是大概就写贝莉滚蛋吧.这就是他的思考方式,即便是感动的一件事情,他也不会把它描述成纯情感,而总是怎么办和为什么.
我最喜欢的段子,是个无关的段子,警察说到他们移动证物车子的原因,是之前的地方,在车子的正下方,长了一棵树,它穿透了车子,穿透出一个大洞.时间和万物,不会受什么影响,自以它的方式,以它的无意志的意志,继续发生.
5 ) 纪录片!!
如果这部不是纪录片,而是经过编造的,我觉得那样就完全不能让我们感受到那种震撼。
我们不知道自己即将死亡的日期,可他们却知道,然而这些人只是在一个错误的时间,错误的地点做了错误的事,亲手将自己推入死亡深渊。
影片在一个牧师的采访中开始了,看着他的虔诚对生命的热爱,可是上帝却残酷的让他去送死囚的最后一程,一次次看着生命的逝去,他一直在深思,生命的意义。生命是只有一次,对于任何人都是公平的,谁都没有多活一次的权利。
整部影片记录了一起罪案,为了一辆车,或许这是他们的梦想,或许是他们当时太年轻,不知道生命的价值,他们杀了女主人后为了进小区拿车又杀了两个不是很熟的朋友。我虽然非常不赞同死刑,就像Fred说的,'nobody has right to take any life',他们的行为固然可恨,但是我觉得不管他们做了什么,都应该有活下去的权利。
不过最让我接受不了的是Michael Perry在行刑前对死者家属,对那位6年失去了无数亲人的女士说,'I pray you',我觉得要是我是她,我一定会想冲上去打他几巴掌的,杀害了别人的两位家属,却去原谅她,但是我认为Michael好像不认为杀人是多么罪恶的事,他像个小孩一样,完全没有理解明白事情的重要性,一定是从小没人仔细和他说过这些吧。
Jason的爸爸和哥哥同Jason自己一样,都是罪犯,Jason的爸爸认为都是他自己的错,五次被判刑,有了好几个孩子,妻子有些瘫痪,自己都没时间陪陪自己的孩子,非常后悔,他知道自己再也没机会出监狱了,所以他更加不希望因为自己的错,将儿子送向死亡。他在法庭上一直在哭,述说自己在监狱中的感受,最终在他走出那扇门后,他听到两位女士也失声痛哭,然后律师告诉他,'You got him'。
Jason的刑期是40年,而他在监狱中和一个原本为他辩护的女律师相爱了,现在还人工受精有了他们俩的孩子,希望一家三口可以幸福。
总的来说,我不赞成死刑,因为人只能活一次,而死刑犯却要为自己做错的事失去生命,我不是怜悯他们,只是单纯的希望每个人在ta自己的墓碑上,生日与死期之间,写上一段不同的故事。
6 ) im not against death penalty that much after watching Into the Abyss.
1、i see someone who couldn't read. i can't imagine a young man couldn't read living in modern society. and it's in the USA.
the relevant people involved who are acquaintances with Jason or Michael(the two prisoners) were also leading miserable life as well as them two, which surprises me a lot, especially their horrible childhood. perhaps i should not use the word "miserable" to describe them since i'm not supposed to judge them.
i see this point that same people get together. people from that circle- Jason or Michael's circle- are usually this type- have a lot of tattoos, had been in the prison for a while, and be in the risk of getting a shot.
well, i'm judging them again. is it understandable that the judgement above is the most natural reaction a young people who is growing up in a traditional and safe circumstances could ever make?
2、Michael is just a young man like me, like any of my friends. he is tall, active, and seems normal. is every murderer abnormal? i don't know. perhaps he is not the killer. the justice goes wrong sometimes, but not often. so, technically, Michael is more likely to be the right person to be sentenced to death. whatever, i don't know the truth.
let's suppose he's guilty. that's what scares me the most. someday, one of my acquaintances might turn out to be a criminal, a murderer, while he or she acts normal, just as the impression Michael Perry has left on me in the film. they play their part so goddamn well that i'm totally not able to discern before bad things happen.
thus, the conclusion is, don't trust anyone coz the world is good at hiding it's cruel face. well, er, the contradiction is that your putting away your trust can't guarantee your security either. the most security way is to shut yourself in the door at home. going nowhere, have no contact with no body. now you are almost 100 percent safe from being hurt by others. actually this is the thoughts of one victim's elder sister.
apparently, it doesn't work .
the fact is that we have to continue our life and continue to make acquaintance with new people. i guess your fate will tell you if you are the unlucky one who is going to be shot to death by one of your acquaintances. lol
i used to against death penalty. because i think we don't have the right to take away anyone else's life, nor does the law, no matter how evil he is.
now i can't find my standpoint, no longer.
someone, killed three people for two stupid vehicles. i'd like to take his life away in order to guarantee my own security though what i'm doing is atrocity.
"When I talk to you, it does not necessarily mean that I have to like you, But I respect you, and you' re a human being, and I think human beings should not be executed. Simple as that." ---a quote from this film.
in contrary, this film is leading me back to the way of supporting the death penalty. i'm not making a statement that im a supporter of death penalty now, honestly i don't know which side i'm at now. i'm just driven a little bit closer to the side of supporting death penalty by this film.
but why? i believe this is not the initial purpose of Herzog.
on the assumption that Michael Perry and Jason Burkett are murderers, and in combination of the communication between the film maker and the murderers, i regard them as very dangerous people. they did the crime and sat in front of the camera to talk as if they're innocent, which frightened me. i even feel that their existence will imperil my life in some way.
thanks to Herzog, his film makes me consider about death panelty even more.
对于某些有罪之来说,死是让他们重新归于平静的最好方式,他们解脱了,但活着的人却永受悲痛与煎熬。(你凝视深渊良久,深渊也会回望你。——尼采)
这记录片里的所有老百姓感觉都像科恩兄弟电影里的演员,长得也像。绝逼神了。哪找一个事儿,攒这么一帮人。
真是渐入佳境。越往后看感触越深。导演提问的方式很特别,对犯案过程他只问了警长,而对被害人家属还是凶手及其家属,他只问“感觉“,于是就能发现再好的人和再坏的人很多感受都是相通的。 我不知道他对死刑的立场,但是我到最后就完全被这种”相通性“收买了,也开始怀疑死刑的公正性
Herzog did no wrong in my notebook!
推荐两个同题材更好的: 想起了中国的沈阳三八大案纪实纪录片,就是杀害出租车司机抢车犯案的那个,对5个死刑犯的采访。还有基耶洛夫斯基十诫之杀人短片电影版。赫尔佐格与被判处死刑的杀人犯和受害者亲属以及案件相关的各色人士交谈和讨论,探讨了人性极端状况的话题。影片冷酷而阴郁,它逼观众面对这一道德模糊的领域。而从影片的片名也能看出赫尔佐格借此“凝望人类灵魂深渊”的目的。接受过赫尔佐格第一次采访后六个星期,死囚詹姆斯·巴恩斯写信给赫尔佐格,暗示他将再供出自己犯下的两件命案。他后来确实招供。废除死刑是赫尔佐格的想法,可以看到,除了死囚之外,整个死刑执行的相关人员也承受了巨大的压力。
残忍希望皆为人本 生活在同一片大地上的人对死亡和生命的体悟也惊人一致
等价交换~~没有任何理由能抹杀你所做的!对于为己之欲而亡人者原谅是一种奢侈~你能做的只能是补偿及有限的时间里自我审视!!对于那些为其他的呢?为复仇;为保护他人;为了所谓道德与所谓的正义的~我想知道我们要如何区别
这部纪录片的重点是应该如何面对死刑,以命抵命的做法带来的只有虚无,法律以时间和生命的方式原谅罪犯,但人心却很难,而上帝却已经宽恕了所有人。同样的罪行,因为一点仁慈,结果一个生一个死。一部真正的伟大的纪录片,骨子里尽是悲哀,当一位罪犯父亲设想另一种人生,不觉得让人泪下。★★★★★
7/10
三星半。
看了一半看不下去。和赫尔佐格聊天应该很愉快,不过这次的聊天对象实在boring了点
不像以往的小赫赫……看完后我更坚定的支持死刑了!因为我们不需要对不尊重他人生命的人给予其生的必要
赫尔佐格探讨死刑纪录片
Staring into the abyss, I see nothing but sound and fury.
不加任何情感观点的“纪录”
荷索這次關注死刑,浪漫筆觸細膩的挑起傷痛再輕輕的放下
那辆车一直停在那里。后来,在车厢内长出了一棵树
http://www.56.com/u80/v_Njc0NzU4Mjk.html
谁也无权剥夺他人生存的权利,死亡砸在身体和心灵上的沉重无奈,荷疯再次探索生命中黑暗的极致,当你甘愿被这深渊吸附,你真的回家了。
看得非常非常震撼。导演提问的方式也很不一样:赫尔佐格果然厉害,他的纪录片,都是真的“记录”,并无塞给观众任何观点。而这本来就是很震动人的话题,死囚的处刑。看过《死囚漫步》仍旧会觉得真人真事太让人叹息。